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Re: CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK! No. 3 On Sale Wed., Dec. 12!
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Dec 14, 2007 9:02 AM
in response to: harlequin1
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No offense meant, but I think you may actually be OVERthinking it.
The whole question of how the denizens of Earth C will survive is an odd question to ask. If they did indeed maintain their intelligence, there's no reason they would go insane or couldn't survive in the wild because they would be intelligent enough to think things through and come up with solutions. And if they DID end up with only their animal instincts, then they would simply live the same way as any other animal would. Why would they go insane then?
I found the ending to be goofy and fun. Plus, with them on our world, the characters much more likely to survive Final Crisis than they might be otherwise. There's plenty of possible ways to bring them back. It was just a story... and the way it was done means there's lots of room for future stories.
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Re: CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK! No. 3 On Sale Wed., Dec. 12!
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Dec 14, 2007 10:22 AM
in response to: tryptophan
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> 1. Captain Carrot still refers to his earth as Earth
> C. Is this essentially the same continuity as
> before? And does Earth C-Minus have its own number
> designation?
Yes, it's Earth 26 as stated on the cover of each issue.
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> 2. Why was there a pig with them in the end? Didn't
> Pig Iron stay behind?
Yes, the pig depicted in two panels is not Pig-Iron, but just a random pig. You'll notice that the pig is not in the last panel with the rest of the Zoo Crew, so we can assume that he or she fled with the other animals.
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> 3. How is this a Countdown tie-in? It doesn't seem
> to fit with any of the plots in that series. It only
> seems to fit into the Multiverse concept. Somebody
> please answer these if you can.
Yes, it fits into the Multiverse concept since Earth C is one of the 52 earths.
Whether it ties in to Countdown more than that remains to be seen.
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> 4. Since they're now "real" animals, do they still
> think as they did on Earth 26, or have they lost
> their intelligence?
As you can see by Captain Carrot's inner monologue over the last three pages, they are still intelligent (if Cap is, why wouldn't all the animals from Earth C be intelligent?). They are just physically limited by the new condition of their bodies.
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> 5. What would happen to the New Earth heroes if they
> went to Earth 26?
Good question! I believe they would change into cartoon ape-like creatures. But why didn't Superman or Changeling do that in the original series? I'm sure Scott and I will come up with a good explanation, given the opportunity!
Here's another question that nobody has posed yet. Why did the Kaboom Tube open up on New Earth? Does that mean that the New Dogs were travelling FROM there? If so, they would have been real dogs during their visit on New Earth. Maybe they hold the key to returning the Zoo Crew to their original condition!
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Re: CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK! No. 3 On Sale Wed., Dec. 12!
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Dec 14, 2007 10:28 AM
in response to: scott-shaw
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The best way to look at the Zoo Crew in animal form on "our" Earth is the same way as when Pip came though to "our" world in Enchanted.
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Re: CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK! No. 3 On Sale Wed., Dec. 12!
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Dec 14, 2007 10:36 AM
in response to: billmorrison
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> Here's another question that nobody has posed yet.
> Why did the Kaboom Tube open up on New Earth? Does
> that mean that the New Dogs were travelling FROM
> there? If so, they would have been real dogs during
> their visit on New Earth. Maybe they hold the key to
> returning the Zoo Crew to their original condition!
Not to mention that JLA would surely want to find the ship.
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Re: CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK! No. 3 On Sale Wed., Dec. 12!
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Dec 14, 2007 11:04 AM
in response to: billmorrison
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> > 1. Captain Carrot still refers to his earth as Earth
> > C. Is this essentially the same continuity as
> > before? And does Earth C-Minus have its own
> > number designation?
> Yes, it's Earth 26 as stated on the cover of each
Earth C-
Minus
is Earth-26? I thought we were originally told that was Earth-C!
> > 2. Why was there a pig with them in the end?
> > Didn't Pig Iron stay behind?
> Yes, the pig depicted in two panels is not Pig-Iron,
> but just a random pig. You'll notice that the pig is
> not in the last panel with the rest of the Zoo Crew,
> so we can assume that he or she fled with the other
> animals.
How do YOU think they're going to manage, as strangers in a completely strange and alien world, strange even to themselves, stripped of everything they have ever known, even the humanoid bodies they grew up in? If this were "realistic" fiction - and DC makes SO much noise about being all about "realism" nowadays - a high percentage of them would go insane. And an even higher percentage would just simply
die
because they have no knowledge of how to live as "real" animals. (In the real world, real animals DON'T instinctively know how to survive - they have to be
taught.
And no one has taught the survivors from Earth-C.)
Or is all that talk about DC's "realism" just convenient bull that really means "We're going to tell the stories we want to tell whether they make any sense or not - stop thinking, shut up and buy buy buy!"
> > 5. What would happen to the New Earth heroes if they
> > went to Earth 26?
> Good question! I believe they would change into
> cartoon ape-like creatures. But why didn't Superman
> or Changeling do that in the original series? I'm
> sure Scott and I will come up with a good
> explanation, given the opportunity!
You mean no one bothered to raise that point while planning the story? Or were you just told, "This is how it's going to end - don't think about it, just write it"?
> Here's another question that nobody has posed yet.
> Why did the Kaboom Tube open up on New Earth? Does
> that mean that the New Dogs were travelling FROM
> there? If so, they would have been real dogs during
> their visit on New Earth. Maybe they hold the key to
> returning the Zoo Crew to their original condition!
You mean you guys weren't just throwing "kewl" ideas at the wall to see whether any of them stuck?
I don't mean to seem hostile and ungrateful, but this story wound up being totally NOT what I signed on for. And I am especially resentful because I already KNOW from bitter experience just how completely DC can take and frag up something I once enjoyed - and I
still
let myself be talked into this, by you and Shaw!
Shame on me.
Maven
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Re: CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK! No. 3 On Sale Wed., Dec. 12!
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Dec 14, 2007 11:22 AM
in response to: scott-shaw
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I guess Earth C-Minus is Earth 25.67, if we're going by standard grade point averages.
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Re: CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK! No. 3 On Sale Wed., Dec. 12!
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Dec 14, 2007 11:29 AM
in response to: billmorrison
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Holy Cow!!!! Bill Morrison's on the boards!!!??!?! Wow!
Bongo Comics rulez!!!! Huge fan!!!!!!
Hey, is Bongo getting their own website/forums soon???
The
Simpsons
and
Futurama
comics rule!
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Re: CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK! No. 3 On Sale Wed., Dec. 12!
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Dec 14, 2007 1:12 PM
in response to: billmorrison
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Whoa! So much is going on. People are angry, childhoods are being destroyed, both Bill and Scott! are posting, and there are way too many Captain Carrot threads to keep track of. We have a full-blown message board Crisis (c) on our hands! It's time to merge threads, because the continuity is getting confusing. By the way, I think some of those animals landed on Earth-Prime because my dog keeps looking at me funny, like she's trying to communicate...
To be fair, there are more people that favor the current mini (and ending) than those who do not. A couple are cynical, most are not. Honestly, you know a story has made it when it generates this type of feedback. Infinite Crisis, Civil War, Countdown...and now CCATFA!
I completely agree with abjectpoet's feelings on the ending. But I think it's fair to look at the other side of the coin (as long as it's not Two-Face's). I want resolution to the story; actually, I demand it! But comics aren't in the same shape that they were 25 years ago. Many comics were canceled that deserved to published. Others were published that deserved to canceled (yes, I just paraphrased Gander-dalf). So I hope that the Powers That Be aren't terribly surprised that some of us are worried that we may not see a follow-up.
And I hope that creators aren't discouraged by the negative criticism. If you look, there is still quite a bit of positive reaction to the story. Heck, if I praise you guys anymore, DC is going to owe me money!
Bill, welcome to the boards! I hope you brought your boots (and maybe a helmet). As I've said elsewhere, you did a wonderful job of giving us quite a bit of story in just three issues. And you managed to capture the flavor of the original CCAHAZC, both in plot and characterization.
The way I look at it, you guys owe us two follow-up stories. Not only do we need a story featuring the Zoo Crew on New Earth, but I want to see a stand-alone project featuring Pig-Iron defeating Starro and Rash Alpaca, saving Earth-26, and teaming-up with Little Cheese (yeah, I went there)!
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Re: CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK! No. 3 On Sale Wed., Dec. 12!
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Dec 14, 2007 7:33 PM
in response to: scott-shaw
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My feelings on this book are mixed. Maybe thats not entirely accurate, I liked this mini. I wasnt horribly familiar with the Zoo Crew before picking up these three issues but that wasnt a problem at all. The only point of confusion here for me was how earth C and C- fit into the multiverse
we know earth C is earth 26 but where does earth C- fit in? Honestly, Im not too worried about it. Why? Well, because I know that in real life some scientists theorize that we live in a multiverse (but different then the DC one) and really, while I understand that scientists may hold these theories I understand the specifics of a (real) theoretical multiverse just about as much as say
I understand
the general ideas are pretty simple but I cant think anything much more complicated then the physics behind that stuff. Anyway, I got a good chuckle out of the first book, by the time the mini ended the chuckles didnt entirely stop but the funny animal humor had worn a bit thin on me. That said
the ending MAN OH MAN! As much as the funny animal humor may have been being worn thin and as much as some may assume otherwise from the next part of this post Im not some sort of Neanderthal [hyper-gore-sex-doom-post-modern-media-addict] goon who hates funny animals or anything that isnt as iconoclastic as I am and the idea(s) of A: A giant boatload of funny anthropomorphic animals turned into real animals and dropped into the DCU, B: some of these animals being superhero animals
This could lead to not just one but a number of amazing stories.
(this next paragraph Im dedicating to just randomly exclaiming some of the awesome things that can come of this)
Thats (just) a lotta animals, whats going to happen to them all? Not just animals but animals of human level intelligence not just that but these were animals from a pretty silly human like culture. Animals can do some pretty impressive things alone but if these animals have human-like minds and crazy natural animal abilities, let alone super powers! Lots of people in the DCU can talk to animals
What is going to happen to all these animals? This could be kinda epic
I mean, each of them could have stories
obviously itd be impractical to do every animal on the ship but a handful of em anyway
The dramatic range is incredible
I mean what if a dog gets adopted by a nice family, feels kinda demeaned at times (being a pet with a human-like mind) but somehow helps a young child find the meaning of Christmas (or some other such heartwarming journey) while some animals wind up in a factory farm and face horror but using their wits and getting the place shut down and get the animals sent to a more humane farm
Maybe a horse could use clever tricks to become a champion racer
maybe yankee poodle can take down a dog fighting ring from the inside by ripping into the throat of the dog fighter (ok, maybe that joke was in bad taste but
wonder woman, max lord
yeah
) and a gorilla runs around town with a squirrel playing practical jokes on people all while the JLA investigates what was up with all those clothes on the ship, the Zoo Crew regain their powers and eventually all (or at least most of) the animals make it back home to be the funny cartoon animals that they are!
I dont think I would be as excited for more Zoo Crew action if it was mostly earth 26 stuff. This isnt because I hate cartoons or anything like that or that I want to read a story devoid of the sort of humor that E-26 characters embody, but rather that (this is gonna make me sound way more pretentious then I really am) Im a 27 year old man, I may read comic books but (as I suspect most of you are) I read a great deal more then that
a lot of situationist theory mostly but a bit of everything
anyway, I still love Bugs Bunny. Im not gonna pick up a loony toons comic book anytime soon (or ever) but Id certainly sit through a few old shorts
Back to my being a pretentious lit-nerd, theres something special about serialized stories. Its not just comic books but anything serialized really. The stories get so big, it turns into something
different. Normally, as it is supposed to be stories have beginnings, middles and ends but we all know that its not like that in real life. Real life normally goes on some time before any lived story starts and continues after its end. Even if you take the entire life of a person as beginning at birth (or conception, however you want
I pick birth but you can pick either!) , ending at death and most of the rest as the middle we are affected by things that take place before our birth and our actions also affect others who come after us. Serialized stories reflect this and affect us in ways that conventional stories do not. Also, the medium in its self (sequential art with words) is entirely different then most others (text, audio or video). This medium is, in my opinion, the perfect one for the tale of cartoon-animal-people turned to animals in a world of humans and their quest to find their way home. Anyway, Im done ranting
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Re: CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK! No. 3 On Sale Wed., Dec. 12!
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Dec 15, 2007 8:22 AM
in response to: kapkarrot
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> To be fair, there are more people that favor the
> current mini (and ending) than those who do not.
On these Boards.
Reactions elsewhere are a good deal more mixed, and not nearly so friendly overall.
Never forget, the DC Boards are a self-selecting sample of people who just LOOOOOOVE DC Comics, and some of them have such blind brand loyalty that they won't object even when their
own
favorite characters are mercilessly butchered for a trite and stupid story.
Others of us know damn well what we like, and will NOT accept kitty litter instead of walnuts on a hot fudge sundae even though it's "organic" and "natural".
Maven
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Re: CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK! No. 3 On Sale Wed., Dec. 12!
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Dec 15, 2007 8:48 AM
in response to: 12_22_12
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> My feelings on this book are mixed. Maybe thats not
> entirely accurate, I liked this mini. I wasnt
> horribly familiar with the Zoo Crew before picking
> up these three issues but that wasnt a problem at
> all. The only point of confusion here for me was how
> earth C and C- fit into the multiverse
we know earth
> C is earth 26 but where does earth C- fit in?
According to Keith Champagne, DC didn't know that either, and was lumping BOTH Earth-C AND Earth-CMinus under "Earth-26". If that's the case, they got rid of the
wrong one.
The WHOLE POINT of creating the Zoo Crew originally was that the "Just'a Lotta Animals" WAS just a JLA knockoff and
could not
be profitably milked for residual rights (since they were derivative characters). The Zoo Crew, being originals,
could
have been. If, that is, DC saw any value in them at all - which, clearly, is a proposition open to, at best, extreme doubt.
Of course, we'll probably see Emopsycho Prime destroy Earth CMinus too, just to clear the board. Or we'll be told in passing that he did, which is even more dismissive.
<snip>
> Thats (just) a lotta animals, whats going to
> happen to them all?
This is "realistic" fiction, right? Most of them will just die. Especially the "wild" ones.
<snip>
> I dont think I would be as excited for more Zoo
> Crew action if it was mostly earth 26 stuff.
Funny, I have the exact opposite opinion. I DON'T want to read about former funny-animals struggling to adjust to having human minds in real-animal bodies in a world they don't understand and are hopelessly unequipped to cope with, unable to communicate even with each other, let alone the humans, ignorant of their true nature, who surround them.
DC could not more completely and thoroughly have destroyed everything the Zoo Crew ever were about.
And I think they know it.
> Im a 27 year old man, I may read
> comic books but (as I suspect most of you are) I read
> a great deal more then that
So do I, and I'm much older than you are. Some genres DO NOT MIX and never should BE mixed. Sooner or later one element will dominate and devour the other, and the result won't be pleasing to
anyone.
I saw that happen to the Wild Cards series, which all too swiftly devolved into a Boschian nightmare of horror and cruelty. I saw it happen to Glen Cook's "private eye in an AD&D world" stories, where the "grittily realistic" elements gradually forced out all the fun. I've seen it happen too many times.
As a matter of fact, I have, over and over again, seen DC take a series and/or characters that I really enjoyed - and systematically
destroy
everything I liked about it/them. And what's worst is that very few other people can understand why I would find this objectionable. "What? You DON'T like used kitty litter on your hot fudge sundae? But it's ORGANIC! It's a NATURAL product! Shut up and eat it, or shut up and go away!"
Maven
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Re: CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK! No. 3 On Sale Wed., Dec. 12!
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Dec 15, 2007 9:04 AM
in response to: harlequin1
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Argh - just realized I used the "kitty litter" analogy two messages in a row. Here's another one, perhaps even more apropos, and it's from personal experience:
"What, you don't want lima beans in your lime jello? What's the difference? It's all food, and it's GOOD for you!
Maven
(who HATES lima beans)
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Re: CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK! No. 3 On Sale Wed., Dec. 12!
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Dec 15, 2007 6:37 PM
in response to: scott-shaw
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> And although it's the final issue of CCATFA!, all it
> will take to get a follow-up project is to let DC
> know you like what we've done and demand to see more!
> Neither Bill nor I have time to do a regular series,
> but we'd LOVE to do more mini-series, specials,
> "giants", graphic novels, etc., and we've got a ton
> of ideas we'd love to turn into new stories of the
> Zoo Crew.
>
> And, after you read CCATFA! No. 3, you're gonna find
> yourself really, really, really wanting to read more,
> I assure you!
>
> Thanks for your enthusiasm, interest and support!
>
> Aloha,
>
> Scott!
>
> Message was edited by: scott-shaw
Scott, my compliments to you, Bill, Al, and the rest of the folks on the Zoo Crew. It was great seeing Captain Carrot and the rest of the team back in action again. The humor was there as in the original series, as well as the action, and a fine plot with plenty of twists and turns, especially the big twist at the end of issue 3.
You're absolutely right. After the end of that issue, I definitely want to read more. It's been a long time since I've been eager for a new issue of any comic. This mini-series brought that back to me. Here's hoping that you'll soon get the go-ahead from Dan Didio for another Zoo Crew mini-series.
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Re: CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK! No. 3 On Sale Wed., Dec. 12!
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Dec 15, 2007 8:23 PM
in response to: billmorrison
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BTW, can we assume that Captain Carrot's JLA is searching for the ship?
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Re: CAPTAIN CARROT AND THE FINAL ARK! No. 3 On Sale Wed., Dec. 12!
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Dec 15, 2007 9:24 PM
in response to: 12_22_12
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Did anybody think that Captain Carrot was going to be a key part of anything at all. When what ever reset happens I am sure they will be back safe and sound. Remember at some point it is going to be a megaverse we are talking about, not 52 universes.
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